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I will use this as an opportunity to once again state that Jared Leto’s Joker does not deserve the hate he gets (Jared Leto himself notwithstanding). He’s a gangster with a touch of camp (his purple Lamborghini has custom Gotham plates reading “HAHAHA,” c’mon!) and gives off the sort of vibes that makes you WANT to see Batman punch him. Joker should not be “cool” or “compelling.” He’s a crazy dude in clown make-up. IRL you meet a guy with a Joker poster on the wall, you know that you should probably leave. Same should be the case in Batman’s universe.
I would argue that compelling can work if it’s done right. Like the Joaquin Phoenix actor was the right balance of “compelling” but in a bad way where he’s obviously compelling for the wrong reasons. He’s like a fucked up call of the void joker, an antihero for incels.
All the incel drama that came out of that first movie was a sign that Joker was done really well IMO. He made the character believable, someone who could convince a fucked up troupe of incels to put clown paint on and terrorize people as a way of taking out their own anger back at the world for not fitting in.
Like it always seemed so fucking weird that he had a posse of clowns. That was the first Joker to make it real.