• culprit@lemmy.ml
    173·
    8 days ago

    History started in 2022. I am very smart!

    “Four months into this thing, I like the structural path we’re on here. As long as we help Ukraine with the weapons they need and the economic support, they will fight to the last person,” said Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-S.C.) early into the war, accidentally voicing what the war’s critics have often said about the war — that the U.S. will fight it “to the last Ukrainian.” Later, Graham called it the “best money we’ve ever spent.”

    • grue@lemmy.world
      314·
      8 days ago

      Are you capable of admitting that Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around?

      • culprit@lemmy.ml
        121·
        8 days ago

        The revolutionary violence that swept Kyiv’s Maidan Square on the night of February 21, 2014 unleashed the forces of Ukrainian nationalism and, ultimately, Russian revanchism, and resulted in, among other things, the first full-scale land war in Europe since 1945.

        In November 2013, Ukrainian President Victor Yanukovych rejected the terms of the European Union Association Agreement in favor of a $15 billion credit agreement offered by the Russian Federation. Many in the western part of Ukraine had supported the EU deal, as it would have, in their view, secured Ukraine’s future within Europe.

        But, as the Europeans, Americans, Ukrainians and Russians knew full well, the association agreement with Brussels wasn’t merely a trade deal. Section 2.3 of the EU-Ukraine association agenda would have required the signatories to:

        “…take measures to foster military cooperation and cooperation of technical character between the EU and Ukraine [and] encourage and facilitate direct cooperation on concrete activities, jointly identified by both sides, between relevant Ukrainian institutions and CFSP/CSDP agencies and bodies such as the European Defence Agency, the European Union Institute for Security Studies, the European Union Satellite Centre and the European Security and Defence College.”

        In other words, the trade deal also included the encouragement of military interoperability with forces viewed, rightly or wrongly, by the Russian government as a threat to Russian national security.

        In addition, the EU association agenda required Ukraine to put up barriers to trade with Russia. An alternative proposal put forward by Romano Prodi (former Italian Prime Minister and EU Commission president) would have allowed Ukraine to trade with both Russia and the EU but was rejected by Brussels.

        And so, the U.S. lent its support to the post-Maidan government (and the Anti-Terrorist Operation, or ATO, launched in April 2014) against the largely, but of course far from entirely, indigenous uprising in the Donbas. Thus began the first phase of the war, which lasted until the evening of February 24, 2022 and cost 14,000 dead and 1.5 million refugees.

        https://responsiblestatecraft.org/maidan-ukraine/

        • grue@lemmy.world
          316·
          8 days ago

          The “threats to national sovereignty” argument is complete and utter horseshit. The absolute undeniable fact is that Ukraine did not attack Russia until it was attacked first.

          That nonsense is exactly like trying to argue that I had the right to shoot you because I thought you looked at me funny. It’s just categorically dishonest.

          • culprit@lemmy.ml
            132·
            8 days ago

            Two-Thirds Support for genocidal Israel

            Whataboutism.

            14,000 dead and 1.5 million refugees

            because I thought you looked at me funny

            It’s just categorically dishonest.

      • RiverRock@lemmy.ml
        134·
        8 days ago

        Are you capable of admitting that the Ukranian government was engaged in an eight year campaign of ethnic cleansing?