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    8 hours ago

    Check the study I linked. It defines consciousness and explains their experiments in detail. Get more specific if you can refute those findings.

    Again: plants don’t have brains.

    Maybe you are also a plant?

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      7 hours ago

      read that study. it does not prove plants aren’t conscious. it casts doubt on the existing claims that they are.

      in the conclusion, they explicitly allow for the possibility that it may be proven that plants are conscious.

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        7 hours ago

        it does not prove plants aren’t conscious

        Because a negative can’t be proven.

        it casts doubt on the existing claims that they are.

        Because evidence does not support those claims.

        Theists use this same fallacious logic to pretend it’s acceptable to worship bronze age death gods.

        Let’s all use our brains, please.

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        7 hours ago

        in the conclusion, they explicitly allow for the possibility that it may be proven that plants are conscious.

        Do they? Please provide a quote, I’m not seeing anything like that in the conclusion.

        Here’s the other thing: even if you are correct (which is not likely based on evidence), consuming plants instead of meat still reduces suffering. Eating plants directly is more efficient than eating animals that eat plants.

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          5 hours ago

          even if you are correct (which is not likely based on evidence), consuming plants instead of meat still reduces suffering. Eating plants directly is more efficient than eating animals that eat plants.

          this has nothing to do with what I e been saying at all, and I am correct, as you explained in your other comment

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            5 hours ago

            and I am correct, as you explained in your other comment

            Quote me. I said no such thing. I posed a hypothetical. Dumb fuck.

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                5 hours ago

                This doesn’t prove your claim, which you have failed to substantiate at all.

                As I said, it’s the same cancerous, selfish inability to acknowledge what is most likely true that theists exhibit.

                Do you believe a purple unicorn lives on the moon? I don’t. We have never observed a unicorn of any color, on earth or on the moon. Similarly, we have never observed plant consciousness, despite many attempts. Does that prove there is not a purple unicorn on the moon? No. But if you tell me there is without evidence, without knowing yourself, you’re lying to me. Lies cost lives.

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                  5 hours ago

                  i have never said plants think or are conscious. I’m saying you can’t prove they don’t, and you helpfully explained why what I said is true.

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                    5 hours ago

                    No, I helpfully explained why your dumbassery is wrong and harmful.

                    Plants can’t think. This is not controversial. Grow up.

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          In conclusion, we feel we must speak forcefully: plant neurobiologists have become serial speculationists. The ratio of speculation to data in their oeuvre is astronomically high. If they want to form a sensible hypothesis and then test it with real experiments, that is fine, but the prolific speculating and fantasizing need to stop.

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            5 hours ago

            You can’t read?

            If they want to form a sensible hypothesis and then test it with real experiments, that is fine, but the prolific speculating and fantasizing need to stop.

            The speculators haven’t done this. They have asserted, with zero evidence, that plants can think. Meanwhile, the study I linked shows many attempts to observe plants expressing consciousness with no positive results. Support your claims with evidence or shut the fuck up, lives are at stake.

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              5 hours ago

              they’re allowing that it still could be proven, but objecting to the theories they showed in this paper

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                they’re allowing that it still could be proven

                Plants have no brains with which to think. We don’t accept claims without sufficient evidence. Please stop distorting reality. That is a deadly habit.