• pineapple@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    3 days ago

    most of the point has been about the viewpoint we are choosing for the words

    I guess so. I would say revolutionary activity is any form of workers uniting against the capitalist class and building class consciousness to get us closer to a revolution, or the revolution itself.

    multiple actions that don’t cause a huge ruckus are the backbone of the change and in fact the important part

    Can you give examples of this? I have only seen significant change in favour of the working class when the working class has inhibited the ability for the capitalist class to go about it’s regular oppressive lifestyle.

    everybody except affluent white people is in a worse situation than they would be if “the most left wing of the large parties” had governed with consistency in any western country

    I have two issues with this. First of all they haven’t and they likely never will be considering the ruling capitalist class has complete control over the press. It’s not worth falling into the idealist trap of hoping an outcome will happen just because it will benefit everyone. Secondly Even when “left” parties do get elected they always succumb to the coercive forces of the capitalist class and never have any opportunity to impact any change.

    Also, elections are by far the best situation for the spreading of political ideas.

    This is an interesting point. Revolutionary parties do often run elections inside liberal democracies, although they don’t do this with the expectation they will gain power within the capitalist system and reform it they do this to further spread revolutionary ideas.

    • someoneelse@lemmy.ml
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      1 day ago

      multiple actions that don’t cause a huge ruckus are the backbone of the change and in fact the important part

      Can you give examples of this?

      Organizing, coordinating, building social structures and cohesive support systems. spreading information and creating conciousness.

      Reversing your points on elections:

      Even when “left” parties do get elected they always succumb to the coercive forces of the capitalist class and never have any opportunity to impact any change.

      True. Still not reaching real change does not mean complete still stand. And even still stand is better than getting worse. Gay and trans rights throughout the west world have depended on left wing parties. Women’s reproduction right, the same. In the obvious Trump case, nearly everybody is worse off from him being there. This is a comparative improvement.

      First of all they haven’t and they likely never will be considering the ruling capitalist class has complete control over the press.

      And now we arrive to where most conversation with meconverge: the biggest problem right now in the world bar none is information. Information shapes our reality and we simply cannot make good choices without good information and we definitely can’t agree if our input differs wildly. This is also why I am immensely frustrated with everyone and everything, since nobody is addressing it or acting against it (maybe they are and I am just not informed). Attached to it is the fact that the onus on being well informed is always put on the individual, while knowing how humans work it has to lie on the system to be effective. That’s actually the reason why in this discussion I put the bar on revolutionary action to what breaks the information barrier.