• 𝕮𝕬𝕭𝕭𝕬𝕲𝕰@feddit.ukEnglish
    42·
    1 month ago

    Resorting to calling people ecofascists feels pretty reductive. As the world currently exists, and under current economic systems, population growth is a pretty huge issue, especially while basically zero effort is being put into reducing carbon emissions globally.

    There was an article somewhere in these threatlds that gave a decent summary:

    The Earth cannot sustain the future human population, or even today’s, without a major overhaul of socio-cultural practices for using land, water, energy, biodiversity, and other resources

    What a lot of people (myself included) struggle with is that the amount and significance of change needed to make an actual difference is huge right now, and it requires a concerted global effort to get anywhere close to halting what feels like an inexorable rise in earth’s temperatures.

    Until we can change this then humans might as well be described as a virus and looking at forced population control (in this case of transport etc. under covid) and seeing a measurable improvement in our environment feels cathartic and, honestly, easier to obtain than the global overturning of capital.

    • snowdriftissue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      53·
      1 month ago

      Resorting to calling people ecofascists feels pretty reductive.

      Goes on to describe their definitionally ecofascist beliefs in detail

      Overpopulation is a myth started by nazis and eugenicists. People aren’t viruses.

      • Nouvellalia@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        1 month ago

        Yeah, overpopulation is really easy to handle and doesn’t require violence. Give kids a genuine education that they can continue into adulthood, and access to birth control and reproductive healthcare, and bam, population growth is fixed.

        The population problem is intentionally caused by the epstein class, so they can have abundant, desperate, cheap labor.

      • 𝕮𝕬𝕭𝕭𝕬𝕲𝕰@feddit.ukEnglish
        4·
        1 month ago

        Define ecofascism then, because its easy to just fuck around and shit on an opinion without providing an alternative.

        I’m not saying we need eugenics or a cull., and I’m certainly not blaming the global south for existing in a world that was driven by short sighted rich European capitalists.

        What I am saying is:

        1. Population is a problem provided the status quo doesn’t change
        2. The status quo just ain’t changing. Not fast enough, anyway.
        3. In light of this the current state of human existence (and the systems which support it) could be reasonably described as a virus. Exponential growth at the cost of a host? Prove me wrong.
        4. Solutions? Fucking sea change and a total shift in the way we occupy the planet. We’re not over crowding we’re over producing (and over consuming).

        What’s eco-fascist about that, and if you don’t agree, please let me know.

      • Doomsider@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        1 month ago

        Yeah, you definitely don’t know what that word means.

        Also, try telling the civilization of Easter Island overpopulation isn’t a problem. Did you know the Middle East used to be a forest?

        No ecofascists here, but I am starting to suspect someone is an ecotard.