• Carnelian@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    Okay, so it is possible to find inherent meaning in lives you did not create. Yay!

    For part 2, you’re ignoring my question.

    Why would your thought experiment ghost even be considering life? Even before the point of knowing whether it would be “good or bad”. Why does it bother checking that at all?

    Put another way: when some dumb loser asks if I want to invest in an NFT, I don’t even need to consider that. I know inherently that what I’m being offered is fundamentally without value to anyone.

    The fact that you are evaluating your life at all in your thought experiment implies that the thing you are being offered has the potential to be valuable, yes?

    • baines@lemmy.cafe
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      Okay, so it is possible to find inherent meaning in lives you did not create. Yay!

      except predication of choice makes it literally not inherent

      neither does potential imply inherent either

      it’s trivial to imagine simple real world examples that would make any positive aspect of living rather insufficient to the point where dying young and unexpectedly is almost a blessing among alternatives

      if aggressive cancer, long lasting stroke or alzheimer’s is in my future let me die sooner in my sleep

      to say nothing of famine, massive drought and war

      if i knew i’d live to experience alzheimer’s let me never be born

      • Carnelian@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 day ago

        except predication of choice makes it literally not inherent

        Things aren’t any less meaningful just because you chose them. For example I’ve been playing the same guitar for over 20 years. That instrument is now inherently meaningful to me in a way that others are not. It’s inherently irreplaceable to me. You’ll find most musicians bond with their instrument in a similar way

        neither does potential imply inherent either

        Of course it does. Every time a guitar is destroyed on stage thousands of discussions break out about how upsetting and wasteful it is. How it could have been so meaningful to a child who wants to play but doesn’t have the means.

        We see these things and we want to connect them with the people who their meaning will most benefit, precisely because they are inherently meaningful.

        big list of horrible things

        The question of whether or not you will experience extreme suffering is not relevant to the meaning your life possesses. The 5,000 people who were just swept away in Nepal have not had their lives rendered meaningless, regardless of whether or not they would have chosen not to be born if they knew that would be their fate