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    2 days ago

    People hated the Rákosi government for its political repression and economic austerity measures. Imre Nagy was not a western-sponsored colonel in the Hungarian military, he was a communist. After the fighting in Budapest, revolutionary workers councils organized all over the country. You think the CIA and Radio Free Europe were responsible for that?

    My issue with this type of logic is that it’s all or nothing. Thereis a sentence in the declassified document, therefore the whole thing was orchestrated by the US. There was more going on here than Operation Gladio.

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            9 hours ago

            Have you ever been in a conversation with someone and told them “I can’t talk to you because you’re too ignorant, you have to read this book first”? How did that go?

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                So ignoring your namecalling and dogmatism, I read the first two chapters of the book, introduction and the chapter on psychological warfare in the 1950s and 1960s. The only thing it says about Hungary is that it was a counter-revolution. Do I have to keep reading into the 1970s and 80s to find out where it’s revealed that the imperialists orchestrated the whole revolution? Should I cite histories by marxists and communists that talk about spontaneous worker councils?

                Here, just for kicks

                https://www.union-communiste.org/it/1996-12/30-hungary-1956-the-workers-councils-5619

                I look forward to the next round of insults, comrade, you’re really doing your movement a service.

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                  6 hours ago

                  Nobody said there weren’t contradictions in Hungary. What was said is that the CIA was actively exploiting these contradictions to foment a counter revolution. And this precisely the formula that has been used since. And of course, history shows us how these spontaneous worker councils work out in practice. Also, somebody whitewashing western imperialism by using disingenuous arguments is not my comrade. People like you are the reason the west is where it is today. You reject practical ways of combating capitalism while peddling Utopian snake oil.

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            1 day ago

            maybe you need to mask the garlic smell. Try writing Harry Potter on the book and you might just be able to get them to read.

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              Comrades, we must engage in fierce ideological struggle to determine whether the correct reading of the current moment comes from The Hunger Games trilogy or the later, more mature work of The West Wing.