Yeah, that’s the part I have trouble with. Leaves are green, the sky is blue. They are very different colours. It’s not ambiguous like whether teal or turquoise is green or blue (I could easily see either of those being labelled as either blue or green), or different shades of the same colour like fuscia or maroon. They are different primary colours of light.

It’s just weird to me that two very common every day colours that don’t look anything alike wouldn’t get distinct names. I understand that the blue photoreceptors we have are the newest ones and are less sensitive than the red and green ones, but I wouldn’t have figured that our evolution of it to the point where we see what we currently see (if you aren’t colour blind) would have been that recent. I expected hundreds of thousands of years, not tens of thousands or just thousands, which is what it would need to be to explain cultures that didn’t differentiate between the two until recently.

I meant the Sega CD’s performance and reception might have been a factor in Nintendo deciding they didn’t actually want to bring their project with Sony to market.

That said, I looked at the actual timeline and see that that speculation was incorrect as the Sega CD came out in December 1991 while Nintendo backed out of the deal in June of that year.

Hooooly fuck @ the story, too.

Sony had completed a prototype but were positioning themselves to gain control over licensing and distribution of the disc format they were using, which made Nintendo think they weren’t going for a partnership but full control.

So at the Consumer Electronics Show, Sony did a tech demo of their prototype. The very next day, Nintendo announced their partnership–with Philips, not Sony. This was the CD-I, another console I forgot about in my last comment (that also failed because of its focus on FMV games, including the only Zelda games for a non-Nintendo console).

Kinda interesting that this one story seems to contain both companies’ full gaming arcs. Sony wanting control over their software ecosystem but being hated for it, and Nintendo wanting to keep control and pulling surprise dick moves to do so. There were no good guys in that story.

Though back to the original point, it wouldn’t surprise me if the reception of all those initial disc-based consoles helped Sony steer away from shitty FMV games and make sure they had the great games library the PSX did have. But again this is just speculation that could also be based on an incorrect understanding of timing.

Don’t forget the Atari Jaguar. Pre-ps2 would also include all the sega systems, NES, SNES, NeoGeo, the older Ataris. Leaving commodore and Apple out because they were more PCs than consoles. I think that’s all of them but could be missing some rarer ones.

Jaguar, 3DO, and NeoGeo were like legends that in hindsight I’m glad I never got because they would have been disappointing most likely. None of them really blew up so only had a handful of games. Iirc most of the 3DO games were those live action ones that were more like choose your own adventure movies. Jaguar claimed to be 64bit but it was because of a technicality that was a bit of a stretch (something like it was capable of 64-bit math but it usually refers to the address width). NeoGeo was a system to play arcade games, so that might have been kinda cool, other than arcade games being the OG P2W platform because so many games were tuned to extract quarters rather than for fun.

There’s a retro games store I go to every now and then that fulfilled a childhood dream of seeing a sega genesis with both the sega CD (the bit above that might have applied to the 3DO definitely did apply to the Sega CD) and the 32x (which I think was decent but didn’t get popular).

The Sega CD might (this is more speculative than the rest so don’t take this as fact) have even caused the PS to exist because Sony and Nintendo were working on a joint console that was going to be CD based but then Nintendo backed out and made the N64 instead. Sony, not wanting to abandon the work entirely, then pivoted and just made their own console. It wouldn’t surprise me if the combination of Sega CD flopping plus their games not being very good and CDs adding annoying load time are what made Nintendo back out. It probably also helped Sony direct game markers towards better ideas than FMV.

For some reason I found a USB to ethernet network adaptor on my floor in my dorm room (no idea how it got there, just noticed it under the bed one day) at university and tried it with the PS2 I played using a TV in card for my PC and it just worked. Played some online Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 with it.

Contrast to today, where my PS5 supports Bluetooth but when I paired it with my Bluetooth headset, it didn’t recognize it and I’m sure that was deliberate to get people to buy Sony’s (or partners) headsets. Which is one of the reasons I probably won’t ever bother with a console again (though Sony has been generous and has provided me with plenty of reasons to not bother).

Language evolves. I say let it, as long as it isn’t ambiguous.

Force them how?

And it’s not like the other meanings of those words have been erased. I don’t even think the scientific uses are used more commonly than the every day ones.

And if someone “corrects” you just say you weren’t using the scientific term and they can fuck off with their useless contribution. Or say “hmm” and continue what you were saying if the previous instructions would be destructive to your way of life.