Well yeah, japan got to try twice. They tried it themselves, fucked it up the same way Germany did, then did it right with the Americans holding their hands and fingering their ass. Its not hard to get it right when youre a hand puppet.

I literally say “save your receipts” at the end of my post and you come back with “well what if you couldn’t prove it?”

Thats what court is for.

Are you saying we should implicitly trust what a cop says just because they happened to be around to write a ticket? What makes an officers testimony more reliable than a photograph or video? In my state, cops arent even allowed to pull people over for minor traffic infractions anymore because they cant seem to stop targeting black and brown people. Do you think that’s somehow better than a speed camera or red light cam that doesnt care if the person driving is white or not?

You are correct in theory. In reality, its messy.

The courts suppose that a theoretical officer could be at any public place at any time for various reasons, and they are correct. Anything viewable from a public space is subject to plain view doctrine.

Your problem is that you say the scope of the actual surveillance available is disproportionate to the reality of what officers could feasibly see in the same timeframe. You are basically arguing that a continuous surveillance of public spaces constitutes an overbroad search.

The problem is that courts have set no upper limit on passive public observation. I cant think of any precedent where “the cops look this way too much” has ever been set as a valid cause of action against a government interest. Your best bet would be trying to argue that its prejudicial, but it’d be hard to proceed when there is surveillance on everyone pretty equally.

My problem with it is mostly that its a private network. If these cameras and services are being paid for with public funds, then the images they capture should be available for public use. Thats a whole new nightmare all on its own, but thats kind of the technohorror future we are building towards. Anyone being able to track down anyone at any time is a scary thought. But that’s what you get when you build a giant spy network with public money. The public gets access according to the law.

Then how do plain view doctrine and warrantless searches work then?

Cool, so anyone who can afford a self driving car is immune to tickets and traffic citations. Very bourgeois.

Ticketing a car is a good practice to avoid police interaction, which is the real danger in this country. The burden of proof still applies in court, so even if you did get a “phantom” ticket, they still have to prove you were in control of the vehicle at the time. I recently got a red light camera ticket on a rental thrown out because I showed i turned in the vehicle 4 hours before the time of the infraction. Goddamn Hertz tried to throw me under the bus. Always keep your receipts.

There are plenty of privacy laws, but the catch is that you have to make an effort to create privacy. Putting your blinds down creates privacy. Building a roof over your pool and walls around your yard create privacy. There is just no expectation of privacy in public, and technically anything that can be seen from public is “in plain view”. Protecting your privacy is not a function of the state unless you had an expectation of privacy through explicit disclaimer or honest effort.

They dont need a warrant for a plate that is visible from public. If your car was locked up in a garage, that would be a different story. Taking your car out in public is the same as taking your face out in public legally speaking.

Yes, suggesting that its wrong to take a students property instead of teaching them to use it is the same thing as saying all children shouldn’t have to go to school. Im glad you could use your masters degree to gymast yourself into that position. Actually, you’ll have singlehandedly solved school shootings. Can’t get shot in class if you arent in class.

Nobody pays me except the school, same as you. The same school paid by the state for each student you have.

The difference is my students choose to be here. I dont have slave catchers to go out and drag them in when they decide to do other things. If I drop the ball in my classes, they can drop the class and go do other things. Can yours? Gun to your head, can you say for certain your kids would choose you over going to the beach or seeing a movie? Hell, attendance is only 40% of the grade for 24 classes. Most of mine could skip two weeks and not even blink. I point this out to them every semester, tell them I get paid either way. The only person who loses is them. How many no shows do you think I have?

Last semester I averaged less than 1 per week.

I actually do substitute at my local community College. We have a saying here in the welding shop. If you cant do the job, teach. I tell my students that learning a skill is valuable even if they cant use it. Just like the phone in their pocket, its useful beyond the direct application. At worst, they can pass on the skills and experience to someone who can use them. I figure giving back is the very least I can do to keep the world spinning. And the very least is teaching, funnily enough.

Cool. So instead of teaching kids the difference between productive screen time and doom scrolling, you embrace abstinence because you did it once and you were fine.

Humanity has been tailor making distractions for millenia. We’ve been hunting the dopamine high since we started banging rocks together. We’ve also been developing self control. Did you forget about that one? Maybe you needed a lockout program for your phone because you were too weak to focus for your own sake?

Again, I dont understand how you can say you love your kids and then set them up for failure in the same breath. You’re like the morons in the 90’s who told us we’d never have a calculator in the real world just to be forced to teach us to run a TI-84 a handful of years later. Abstinence may have worked for you, but its going to do more harm that good on a larger scale. Thats just history repeating itself. Must have skipped that day back in college.

Better, they’re going to go home and jump right back on the dopamine train because a) you kept it from them all day and b) you arent taking the time to teach them appropriate attention management techniques. And then you get to start the same fight the next day. How productive. How worthwhile for the kids. Might as well quit the second and third jobs with the amount of gratitude you’ll have rolling in.

Not a problem. I’ll sign up as soon as you answer the question. When is abstinence better than education?

My only point was that schools cant be trusted to hear kids who need to be heard, therefore cell phones are necessary in case of an emergency. Your argument was that “streaming makes kids do dumb things” like we didnt have Jackass wannabes growing up as well. How dare children not be obedient when told to sit down and shut up? A flashlight when its dark?! The audacity.

Im sorry you clearly hate working with kids. Its so disappointing to see someone invest the time it takes to earn a masters degree only to hate the field they find themselves in. The fact is that children have always acted like children, regardless of the tech they happen to have. They want attention. They want recognition. They want to be seen. You clearly arent engaging them if they’re on tiktok or streaming their class to their friends. Again, why do you think taking away the phone is better than teaching them to use it? When is abstinence better than education?

I “got” to experience my school because I was left neglected by a public school system for most of my life, to the point where the state had to intervene and force the school district to pay for private education until I aged out. I know exactly what’s its like to be subject to a failed system that would rather avoid problems instead of confronting them. My last year in the system was the first year we got two squad cars when school got out instead of just the one. I even got to be the one arrested once for talking back to an admin who (pattern here, try to recognize it) decided i didnt need my medication one day. I got to see just about the full classroom to prison pipeline before my parents managed to take out a loan to hire an attorney. Don’t tell me for a fucking instant that I dont know what public school is like.

You, on the other hand, see metal detectors in the halls and think it makes kids safer. You see squad cars outside and think they’re going to protect you. You get to work with the same cop that might kill the parent of one of your kids one day. And instead of finding a problem with that, you’re just happy the kids wont stream from your class anymore. Are you so broken that little victories are all you have left?

Working with kids has never been easy. Im sorry you chose that for yourself, but sacrifices must be made for the corporate machine to turn out adequately educated fodder.

By the time I was getting through with school, I found myself in a facility specifically designed to accommodate and encourage kids with learning disabilities. Dysgraphia, dyslexia, speech impediments, attention disorders, you name it. If you think teaching baseline kids is tough, try teaching math where half the kids see 6s as 9s and the other half would do better on heiroglyphics than word problems. Then, add in a good third of those kids not just having cell phones, but a full MacBook pro sitting in front of them. Every class. Oh, and the headphones? Covered by the IEP. They’re not going anywhere.

And somehow, some way, despite every distraction and roadblock available to man, they got through it. You know when they say a student can always tell when a teacher really cares? We can.

We had a good group of them at that school, and they went above and beyond to make sure we succeeded as students. They didnt treat us like problems despite the fact that the system thought we were. Im struggling to understand why you think removing the phone is better than teaching them how to use it better. Do you think abstinence is a good sex ed methodology?

Im from the time lockdown drills were invented. They were invented because of school shootings, but instead of actually addressing the issues that caused school shootings, we did shit like lockdown drills and active shooter simulations and whatever school district approved nonsense would appeal to parents.

My parents, being practical people, gave me a cell phone and a glass breaker. They showed me how to use the glass breaker and taught me when to use it. Im still showing them how phones work and when to trust them, but id consider it a good trade. You can train kids to hide like rabbits or you can give them the tools and knowledge they need to make a difference. I can guess where you fall on the spectrum.

We say it because it is true in the country where this keeps fucking happening. How about a less extreme example?

I was a kid in the late 90s in public school, and I had both an IEP and medications to take. The IEP specified exactly which medicines to take and when. One day, the nurse on duty decided I didnt need those meds that day because everything was fine and they were busy. So they sent me back to class. I called my parents on the way and let them know what happened. By the time my parents drove to the school to collect the head of the nurse, I was passing out in the classroom. I was actually unconscious by the time they made it through the “check in” process at the office. My teacher thought I was sleeping in class and just ignored me.

Without that phone call, I might have died. Thats an extreme “what if”, but the possibility was there.

You are expecting a school that is a safe and concerned environment, ans that’s just not the reality in this country. Teachers have 40+ students per class and between 6 and 8 classes in a day. Kids need a way to be heard that isnt another burden on an overworked system. Don’t even get me started about kids who speak up about bullying and get ignored for years. The idea of “lines getting tied up” during a school shooting is laughable in the digital age.

All guns are made for killing. It doesnt matter if its a .22lr, .45acp, or 7.62x54r. There isnt a purpose for guns except killing and practicing to kill. Self defense does not make killing any better or worse. I guess you could be scared of the capacity, but depending on the state, that AR could have less capacity and be significantly slower to reload than a standard handgun. I just dont understand what specifically makes you think a bigger gun is more dangerous than a little gun. If youre okay with gun a, why not gun b?

What makes the assault rifle scarier than a pistol?

Like, do you think the bullets from that gun are more painful/deadlier than pistol bullets?

Im not trying to belittle having a gun in public, I think that’s just unnecessary for every day life. But why is a big cumbersome assault rifle scarier than a very fast and easy to conceal pistol? To me, guns kill people dead regardless of the size. At least with the assault rifle slung like that its clearly a hassle to make ready to fire.