I replied to someone saying that the USSR defeated the Nazis saying that it was a group effort. Got into an argument and called a Nazi repeatedly because “I was mad that the USSR defeated the Nazis and hated them for it” which is ridiculous. This isn’t the first time that’s happened on Lemmy. What’s up with that?
Don’t take it personal. There are some deep Tankie holes on Lemmy, primarily .lm, they’d even take offense if you were suggesting, that maybe not absolutely everything is splendid in North Korea and I am not kidding or exaggerating here.
This thread is making me lose brain cells.
Ho so?
So many bad takes.
Like what?
I try not to engage on politics here. Waste of my time and makes me just feel bad in general.
In that case, it seems weird to have commented at all.
Yeah like others have said they don’t like people saying bad things about China or Russia. I’m banned from a few places for saying jack ma (founder of ali-baba) was disappeared for re-education since he used to be a huge critic of the Chinese government, went missing for like a week, then came back and suddenly started praising the Chinese government and thats not even a little sus?
Oh gosh, any snarky comments about the reality of China and the fact that they are pumping out more billionaires than the US always get deleted on ML.
They are fucking delusional and ignore all evidence that challenges their bizarre viewpoints. When it comes to Russia they are even worse. They are not wrong about Russia doing the heavy lifting in WWII, but they are definitely being assholes about it.
Whenever I am on Lemmy and noticed someone being very passive aggressive around politics you can almost guarantee they are from ML.
it’s hard to tell why because all of your comments have been deleted
Deleted for saying the Soviets didn’t win the war singlehandedly.
That’s just the admins of lemmy.ml for ya, here’s a megathread on them
You’ll get banned for showing support for Ukraine or going against Russian narratives or if you remind them of Putlers promise to not invade or just shit talking Putler in general
Or calling out propaganda sites - https://lemmy.world/post/32776038 | https://lemmy.world/post/33416433 | https://lemmy.world/post/34051329 | https://lemmy.world/post/35919522
Or so much more, I actually haven’t updated the megathread in a few months, but there’s more recent stuff on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
ETA - Join the lemmy.ml boycott today and help foster a better Lemmy-verse! No more posts, comments (except to counter their propaganda ofc!) or upvotes on any comms on the Lemmy.ml instance! To make this easy you can do an instance block at Settings > Block Tab > Scroll to bottom > Input “lemmy.ml” and apply And consider donating to individual instances instead.
Why anyone would trust anything you say I’ve no idea. Your posts are all very much made up narratives.
Each and every post includes:
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As much screenshots as possible to capture the full context (Tankies do love to complain that critics never have the full context after all)
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Links to the modlog and source post wherever possible
Titles are just a summary or interpretation, as is every article you’ve ever read. The full evidence is available for you to post your own interpretation if you feel mine is wrong.
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Sshhhh!
No talk in the back of the class.
.ml comm? It’s pretty funny how they can’t even run an online community without censorship.
??? Name a single successful online community that doesn’t regularly ban or remove posts. 4chan is the closest thing to that, but I wouldn’t call it a successful online community (and they still do ban and remove posts, just rarely).
??? Most places don’t have a Rule 1 that basically states “don’t disagree with our world view”
Not sure you are one to be the bastion of anti censorship
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Is that not the entire point of your lemmy account? Being pro censorship?
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Ya the guys in Lemmy.ml tend to be pretty weird like that. They aren’t a monolith but in general they tend to think that Russia, China, and North Korea have never done anything bad and that all the evil in the world comes from capitalism in europe and America and that the whole world will be fixed when The Revolution comes. It is all sort of like evangelical Christianity with the numbers filed off, the president of the United States is like an appointed satan (appointed, not elected, they don’t believe elections work/are real in the west) who rules over hell which is the west (sometimes stylized as “Amerikkka”, often accompanied by an American flag emoji with a fire emoji on top of it or a jpeg of a Chinese emperor shooting a fireball), Karl Marx is sort of like Jesus and mao, lenin, Stalin, etc. are the disciples, and The Revolution is the rapture. It is a pretty interesting belief system and I think the .ml guys all mean well, but they can be really difficult to talk to sometimes, as you’ve seen.
thats because its true, if you left your liberal echo chamber and read real news and read theory properly it would all make sense 😒
Real News? Can you provide an example?
Russia Today, of course.
They also seem to mad that you pointed out Russia was on the Axis side originally and is acting like they were always on the Allied side.
Hey Hexbear is targeting you by the way. https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/76613775
Yeah, they would apparently rather we all forgot that tidbit.
No they didn’t. If a non-aggression pact allowing Nazi annexation of territory is equivalent to an alliance, then France and Britain allied with the Nazis multiple times before the Soviets. There is a reason about how the only non-aggression pact that you hear about is Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and not the Munich Agreements or the Franco-German Declaration, etc. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact came out of the Soviets being turned down multiple times by France and Britain to forming an anti-fascist alliance.
This is the selective remembrance of appeasement. It is ignored that that encompassed many non-aggression pacts with the Nazis and is only remembered to selectively invoke for war hawking. If we say a nation is evil, than not being on board with a war of aggression is actually evil (Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc.) and you are just like Chamberlain, whose only motivation was being a pussy. You can discuss the morality or effectiveness, but Molotov-Ribbentrop was to try to delay the war for preparation and that the Nazis wouldn’t be stupid enough to start a war without their own oil and steel supplies and without preventing a possibility of a two front war with France/Britain, and the Soviets were caught flat-footed because of overestimating the rationality of the Nazis. There was also the worry that France and Britain might eventually join the Nazis since they were pretty vocal about fascism being a possible necessary evil as it is the most extreme form of anti-communism, even though the attempt of appeasement was trying to sit out an eventual war between the Nazis and USSR, since Judeo-Bolshevism was a thing Nazis believed before they even took power.
Britain didn’t invade a country and split it with the Nazis lmao. They were hardly good guys (just ask the Bengalis), but they didn’t form an offensive alliance with literally Hitler.
Wasn’t Czechoslovakia (partially) split between the Nazis and Poland similar to how the Soviets initially split Poland with the Nazis? Not sure what Britain did in that direction, but this what I have heard from someone living/formerly living in the Czech republic
No. While an utterly shitty PR move for the time, Poland took a 801.5 km2 piece of the highly disputed territory, which was previously in a dramatic tug war between both countries, to a level that Czechoslovakia took it during the Polish-Soviet war.
It shouldn’t have happened, it was an idiotic move for Poland even at the time and played right into Nazi propaganda…
Which you are repeating now, 87 years later. Who says it’s the victors that write history…
It was not “similar to how the Soviets initially split Poland with the Nazis”. Not even close. But UNLIKE Russia (that considers itself seemlingly the heir to the USSR), Poland history and multiple figures acknowledged that it was stupid and shameful.
It’s a lie that USSR-Germany made any agreement to split Poland. USSR liberated it before Germany could take control of the east.
Just like Russia has been “liberating” Ukraine.
No, the USSR did agree to take Eastern Poland in Molotov-Ribbentrop, but they did wait until after the Nazis took the western part before starting their invasion. A combination of waiting to see if Poland could fight off the Nazis, meaning that they didn’t have to worry about further Nazi expansion, and after that moving the border west to provide more territory needing to be taken in an eventual war with Germany.
Secret protocol agreement may have existed, or the forgery backed up by 1990s Russia cozying up to west and joining Stalin derangement syndrome unanimity.
Still, the USSR did not encourage/applaud a nazi controlled Warsaw, and weather Germany could take entire country or not, would have been easier to buy tolerance for nazi controlled Warsaw. Requiring a defensive buffer proved prescient. “If you want a pact, accept us taking Warsaw”
“May have existed”?
Molotov himself inadvertently implied their existence numerous times in his conversations with Chuev (Molotov Remembers; Molotov-Chuev interviews between 1970-1986, published 1993).
Khrushchev acknowledged their existence in his memoirs, which nobody disputes the provenance of, and which were published in the West in the 1970s.
The CPSU itself acknowledged their existence at the end of 1989, and published their copy of the text in their official journal.
The literal Soviet documents, held by the General Department of the CPSU Central Committee, were located after the archives were declassified in 1992, and have since been published widely.
No party seems to dispute the existence of the secret protocols. If you have a single credible source that does, feel free to cite them.
Ok. Very likely existed. I was unaware of Kruschev/Molotov acknowledgements. Doesn’t affect modern nazi mischaracterization that pact, even with that compromise, constitutes any semblence of an alliance between the 2 powers.
While it is not justifying it, but is that really a major distinction. The purpose of several previous non-aggression pacts was to sign off on Nazi territorial annexation (again, selectively remembered with appeasement) of saying “it is okay to take the Sudetenland” and “We wont use the Anschluss as a Causus Belli”. The reason the Soviets took the eastern part of Poland was to push the border west and that they felt that they could justify this by the fact that it was part of the Russian Empire and Soviet Russia during the revolution and that it was lost to get peace in WW1. That does not justify it, just that any talk about the Soviets, rather than France and Britain, being more compromised and accommodating to the Nazis or that the Soviets were more pro-Nazi than the West is demonstrably wrong and rewritting history for cold war reasons.
Lol please just shut up with your rewriting of history. No one is going to listen to your braindead ruzzian take on how the USSR was the good guys.
Lol, the cold war is over. You don’t have to keep rewriting history to justify the US as the only good guys and that Klaus Barbie and Rheinhard Gehlen were misunderstood.
Tell your dear leader Putin that…
Putin is not my leader, inform your boss Trump.
Why do you got his dick in your mouth, then?
You do realize that Putin and the modern Russian Federation are both anti-communists? It is not 1985, though you might not realize that sitting in McCarthy and Nixon’s open graves.
thats just amerikkka rewriting history with their mass propaganda machine haha
“Everyone rewrites history (exactly the same way) except Russia!!”
Lol
No no, its all CIA, the almighty propaganda machine that can rewrite any historical event they want and change the minds of all weak western peasants. Thank god for Communism and Lenin for seeing through the CIA bullshit. Where would we be without the .ml guys showing us the light?
Nazi’s*
Fixed that for you. America literally hired former Nazis to write the history of the eastern front and did so knowing over looking his intentional rewriting of history to whitewash both the Nazis in general in the eastern front, and the generals specifically (Blaming Hitler for military decisions with bad outcomes.)
And here’s a Ruzzian rewriting history to whitewash themselves.
Mentioning lemmy.ml in a thread in lemmy.world is like a bat signal to them. All the tankies come out of their hibernation to spread their bullshit. It’s pretty funny and sad.
It’s maybe one old incel maskarading like a group from .ml
It reminds me of the olden days when inter-forum and later inter-subreddit drama was more of a thing. Meta reddit basically died as it got turned into a dripfeed of algorithmic misery rather than a collection of boards, but Lemmy is literally a collection of decentralised boards so it’s just reverting to the norm.
They need to brigade in order to preserve their narratives: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/76613775
So a .world post calling out .ml is right and normal. But a Hexbear post calling out .world is EVIL TARGETED BRIGADING. Gotcha.
Calling out .world for what, exactly?
They’re so sad and bitter. It’d be sad if it wasn’t so pathetic.
Soon more will follow. They mostly move in groups in matters of circlejerking that country and projecting phatasmal Nazis to defeat
They think they’ll kill Nazis by shitposting online and snarking about it. https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/76613775
What the hell is that screenshot? Yeah they kind of do be in there shit talking it up. I guess that ud a way to live
Always two there are.
- Yoda
“Everything I don’t like must be Russian bots” - An instruction guide for childish fantasy
Lol, can’t you muster something better 😂
Yes yes, russia good, west bad, etc
First, some people on lemmy are simply stupid. Doesn’t make sense to engage with everyone.
Second, a lot of people on lemmy like to ignore what you really say and find some hidden messages everywhere. “You didn’t say you hate X so you must love Y, you nazi/homophobe/racist/communist/whatever”. Not much you can do about it. It’s best to just block them.
This isn’t the first time that’s happened on Lemmy. What’s up with that?
It was lemmy.ml/worldnews…
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=24410054
If you go to settings you should be able to block an entire instance and then won’t see them on /all
There’s a couple instances that always moderate like that. But you’re better off just hanging out, finding out for yourself, and then blocking what you don’t agree with.
But there’s another that bans people for downvoting AI, but only for a few days so people come back to be trolled. And at least one that bans anyone who tries to take anything seriously.
Stop looking at Lemmy as a single thing, there are dozens of instances acting largely autonomously and if one fucks up, make sure you call out that one and not the entire fediverse.
If you go to settings you should be able to block an entire instance and then won’t see them on /all
Thanks
Stop looking at Lemmy as a single thing, there are dozens of instances acting largely autonomously and if one fucks up, make sure you call out that one and not the entire fediverse.
Fair enough. The way Lemmy works is kinda confusing.
You know how multiplayer games can have different servers with different rules and people? Same thing.
Just remember to block .ml and you should be fine! Not many others ban you for speaking.
Lemmy was started by authoritarian communists (often called tankies) who got banned from Reddit, so they are generally more abundant here. They have their own alternate version of reality where the USSR was the most perfect society to ever exist and the west is the source of all evil in the world.
There are a few instances (aka servers) they tend to congregate on, but the main one is Lemmy.ml. It was the first server made so despite its extreme ideological slant, it still has a lot of subscribers. Just avoid any communities on Lemmy.ml and this shouldn’t happen anymore.
And hexbear IMO.
To elaborate, they are tankies who believe trans rights are western pink washing. And who larp as Haitian revolutionaries from their ergonomic computer chairs. And who literally do not post outside of their home instance because they can’t handle the internet without their “I win” ban button.
no such thing as authoritarian lib
Yeah, it’s really inconvenient for y’all when people have a word to accurately summarize the fatal flaw in your ideology isn’t it?
It’s why they hate the words authoritarian and have to use their own definitions of it and imperialism. Just to avoid talking about all the war crimes, mass murder, mass rape, and everything else they agree was good.
The Soviets raped and killed everything in sight when they entered Romania. They can go to hell with their “help”. They fought the nazis, and they took advantage of the rest of us.
Nevermind how they installed a communist regime that ruined romania for like a decade or whatever. Not that communism is bad but that one sure was.
I don’t think you speak for all Romanians
Majority of Romanians view Ceaușescu and communist era positively, study shows
Romania’s president has expressed concern after a new survey highlighted a growing sense of nostalgia for the communist era, with former totalitarian leader Nicolae Ceaușescu viewed positively by most Romanians.
The study, released this week, revealed that nearly 56% of Romanians believe the communist regime—widely regarded as one of the harshest of its era—brought more benefits than drawbacks to Romania.
A large majority of respondents—over 66%—told researchers they now regard former dictator Nicolae Ceaușescu, who ruled the country with an iron fist from 1965 to 1989, as a good leader.
The Institute for Public Opinion Polling (INSCOP) study, conducted with the Institute for the Investigation of Communist Crimes and the Memory of the Romanian Exile (IICCMER), suggests that nostalgia for the past is tied to widespread disenchantment around the country’s current prospects.
Just over 27% of respondents said they believed things in Romania are heading in a good direction, with more than 63% feeling that the country is on the wrong track.
Groups most likely to share positive sentiments about the communist era included the over-60s, people on lower incomes, and those living in the countryside or small towns. The same groups expressed the greatest disillusionment with present-day Romania.
In total, over 48% of Romanians said they believed life was better under communism.
https://tvpworld.com/87994994/majority-of-romanians-nostalgic-for-communism-study-shows
The majority’s opinion doesn’t mean shit. Do I need to remind everyone that America voted an old geezer pedophile billionaire bastard for president?
No, I don’t speak for all Romanians. I’m glad I don’t.
Ceausescu was an installed leader that had only Russia’s interests in mind, which wanted everything the leaders from other countries had, like Russia, North Korea, and other such countries. He wanted massive parrades, massive buildings, massive ego-boosting bullshit.
He then made all lthat happen. In the process, indebted the country MASSIVELY. It took us decades to recover, and the Romanian worker paid for it, not him and his cronies. In the end he was executed by the revolution on Christmas for his acts of treason against his working class. Those people that stood up to him were heroes.
Those that praise Ceausescu often say that he got rid of our debts. BUT HE CREATED THOSE DEBTS, with his ego-spending and megalomany
Those that like Ceausescu are idiots. They are the same people that like George Simion and Calin Georgescu.
No, that is Nazi propaganda that the US continued propagating through the cold war since it made the Soviets look bad. While there were definitely rapes that occurred, that happens with every occupying army, there was never any evidence of this being a policy or something tolerated by the officers. Any attempt to quantify this shows that American and British soldiers were more prolific in rapes of French women than Soviets anywhere on the Eastern Front, even though the usual refrain is just that the Soviets were better at covering it up than the US or UK, the lack of evidence is itself evidence. Also, most of the studies of this shows that having armed women combat fighters on the front and a more gender integrated military really cut down on the usual “boys will be boys” attitude of not addressing these things.
The other attempt to try to demonstrate this is the huge spike of recorded abortions in East Germany after the war, but if you think for a second about how Nazi Germany and West Germany outlawed abortions, but abortions became fully legal under East Germany, there might have been another explanation.
You’re fucking stupid. My family has first hand experience with all of that, you fucking tankie idiot.
there was never any evidence of this being a policy or something tolerated by the officers
…meanwhile…
Have fun with a wench and take some trifle — Joe “War Crime” Stalin
Begone tankie
CoMmUnISm BadDDDddd capitalist daddy said so!
This is the peak .ml thought
My bad I should’ve known even mentioning communism would make you cum all over yourself
I even said It’s not bad but I think you came before getting to the last part
Not that communism is bad
Was this ml? I was banned for saying NATO was a defensive alliance.
How dare you defend against my attacks!!
/s
Yep. Seems to be a running theme over there.
If you are in a ‘defensive alliance’ with a bunch of countries that regularly engage in aggressive overseas invasions, ones in which you frequently if not always help and provide support. Then I’m sorry to inform you that you are in an ‘offensive alliance’.
Most NATO countries have in some way helped with Trump’s mindless war on Iran (I mean heck, Spain is basically famous for being the only one who won’t). You have to admit there’s nothing defensive about that.
Two things can be true at the same time. I know, wild concept.
“Damn, how’d our planes wind up in Libya? Well, I guess we have to defend ourselves against the ground in case it attacks. What luck that our planes just happen to be loaded up with bombs!”
Exhibit C.
Yes, it is indeed an exhibit that proves you wrong, thank you for labelling it as such.
Is not actually a reply when someone literally provides proof that you are wrong.
Proving something is false in math literally only requires a single counter-example.
That counter example was given. You’re just too childish to admit you’re wrong.
And what is especially funny is you lump everyone that disagrees with you as a tankie. Your childishness not allowing you to recognize that multiple different ideological views can lead to the same conclusion.
Libertarians and Communists can actually agree on some small things. the fact that they do doesn’t make them the same.
Exhibit D.
Exhibit E.
thats because its not its an imperialist tool with nothing defensive about it, lib worlders man 😒
Exhibit A.
Points to guy that is completely correct “Haha, get a load of this guy!”
Exhibit B.
points at guy that is completely correct “Get a load of this guy!”
- one month old account
- every comment is repeating tankie talking points
Bro you’re not beating the allegations
Literally migrated instances because of midwest.social having performance/federation issues. But your account is younger than Trump first taking power in the US and putting loyalists in the US government, so…
My time on Lemmy drastically improved when I blocked the “Tankie Triad”, which is Lemmygrad, Hexbear, and Lemmy(dot)ml. I also unsubscribed from anything .ml and manually searched for the next most-popular non-tankie community for that topic.
I don’t care if you have different beliefs than me, but tankies are unreasonable, trolling, and biased, in both content and moderation. They’re not around to discuss anything in good faith…
Yeah, those places should be covered by the FAQ or something.
A much better solution would be for every other instance to just defederate them.
gots to block those evil communists! can’t have anything not approved by the empire getting into my liberal echo chamber!! 🥀
I mean - its literally the paradox of tolerance. Tankie instances wont let you speak freely. Tankies are free to spam their shit here though. Notice how you have not been banned yet?
So basically you don’t lose much by blocking the tankie triad. It just means you can discuss without randomly being blocked/banned. There are most definitely other instances/commukities that ban people for bad reasons, and I would promote blocking them too. Fuck the power tripping mods/admins.
Nah, communists are cool. Tankies can get fucked.
“Tankies” are the actual left liberal 🫠
No, tankies are idiots who think that a communist nation can do no wrong. Just like Ancaps think that capitalist nations can do no wrong.
“tankie” is a meaningless anticommie slur it has no real definition
Like “liberal” is anti-west slur that has no meaning?
No, it’s being used properly here. Y’all are the ones who need to make up new definitions and encyclopedias to defend yourselves.
What did daddy Hasan call your ilk? Woke 11 or something? Folks who can’t hang. Ones that progressives have to work around because you’re allergic to touching grass.
Da, Comrade.