Take a car with an internal combustion engine and replace everything that is needed for an electric car. Now you have a no-nonsense car.

Instead, we have a rolling data center that feels like a smartphone.

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      9 days ago

      We’re about to get BYD cars in Canada, they’re half the price of anything else on the market. If they can resist our winters and evil road salt I’m totally game for one to replace my gas-guzzler.

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        Not really, unless you mean giant SUVs. Where are the regular cars and hatchbacks? I hate this constant bigger and bigger vehicles nonsense that just puts people at risk.

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          Today’s larger cars are actually safer… but for their occupants only. In a sea of trucks and giant SUVs it’s a little scary so everyone wants a big car. Even small cars are big now, look at a Fiat 500!

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            Not necessarily true. Bigger car doesn’t necessarily mean a safer car. It’s complicated and SUVs have made car accidents more dangerous because they are heavier and are much more likely to flip compared to a car with a low centre of gravity. They also are far more dangerous AGAINST sedans and hatchbacks due to the mass difference

            https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/are-suvs-safer-than-smaller-cars/

            Here’s an article that looks at some of the research.

            SUVs do provide perceived safety because drivers are higher up and in a bigger car but that’s not valuable whatsover in an accident.

            I don’t know about the rest of the world but in Australia SUVs were treated with less restrictive emissions standards as sedans or hatchbacks so car companies pushed them very hard, some fleets completely removing sedans and hatchbacks from their line up and replacing them with Compact SUVs.

            I’m pretty certain most of the SUV craze is just very effective marketing.

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                Small cars have all but disappeared from the market, even a Civic is HUGE compared to a Civic from 20 years ago… but it’s also a lot safer (check the crash tests between similar vehicles from the 1990s and contemporary ones).

                I’m in Canada and for winter driving up north you definitely want a larger vehicle with decent ground clearance.

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            Incorrect, large SUVs are legally trucks and have less crash protection. Larger vehicles also get into more crashes because of longer stopping distances, poor handling, tendency to flip, and sliding off roads easier in winter.

            F150 and Silverado are the two most commonly crashed vehicles.

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              F150 and Silverado are the two most commonly crashed vehicles.

              They’re also the most common vehicles on US roads.

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        The price is part of it here, but it’s a lot more than that.

        Home owners here strongly lean towards solar installations at home, backed by either a battery installed in the garage or an EV. Some renters take part in this as well, if they have solar. This prevents power loss during blackout plus save a fortune in fuel costs.

        So the car is part of the entire home energy equation, plus cheap transport. This is important here for many because as you are probably aware there can be some distance to travel even in urban areas; it’s not uncommon for a commuter to drive 4 or so k to a train station then catch it into town for work, for one example. That person would be all over a BYD Atto for under 20k

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        they’re half the price of anything else on the market

        Incorrect. They are only importing the expensive models and no prices have even been announced.

        The whole of China can only import 50,000 cars in a market of 2 million sales a year.

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        Yeah I will admit it’s a problem, and it’s my complaint as well

        Many aren’t going to look twice though

        Be nice if we could access a choice of EVs without all this crap. That said it isn’t confined to the chinese makes either, they’re all doing it

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        Every single new car is a connected car. If your data is going to be collected, I’d rather have it collected by China than Palantir.

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          I’d rather neither collect my data, but in this case it’s worse than that.

          Hreszczuk runs Fortify Labs in Canberra and specialises in car security. His job was simple: find out what BYD, or anyone with access to BYD’s systems in China, could see and do to the vehicle remotely. He didn’t expect it to be quick.

          “It was easier than we were expecting.” Hreszczuk says.

          That wasn’t just an offhand comment. Hreszczuk makes a living finding ways to break into cars, so the fact that he was surprised by how easy it was is significant. Even he didn’t expect to get access so quickly or find so little standing in his way.

          The entry point had no password at all. There was nothing protecting it. That one weakness gave Hreszczuk a way into the software that controls many of the car’s functions. After spending two weeks exploring the system and testing what he could do, he was ready to show the results in a real-world demonstration.
          “Sitting by the side of the country road, he demonstrates what can be done with remote access to a vehicle. First, he locks the doors while I’m inside, blasts music over the speakers and plays images on the BYD’s giant infotainment screen.” reads the report published by ABC News. “Then, as I drive, he remotely switches the wipers on at top speed, sprays the windscreen with water and turns the lights on and off.”

          While Four Corners reporter Angus Grigg was driving the BYD at about 30 km/h along a straight country road, Hreszczuk controlled parts of the vehicle from his laptop. He locked the doors remotely, turned up the music through the speakers and displayed random images on the infotainment screen. He then switched the windscreen wipers to their highest setting, sprayed the windscreen and repeatedly turned the headlights on and off. At the same time, a recorded voice played through the speakers, warning the driver to use low beam.

          Then things became more serious. Hreszczuk switched the headlights off completely while Grigg was still driving the car in the dark.

          He was not able to control everything. The brakes and cameras were protected by stronger security measures, so he could not access them. But the test still showed what could happen if someone gained remote access to a connected vehicle. Imagine the same attack taking place at 100 km/h, on a winding road at night, with the driver suddenly losing control of the lights and having the wipers running at full speed. The potential danger is obvious.

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            There’s no mention of how it’s possible to do this with other cars. This just reads as an anti-China anti-BYD hit piece to me.

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              Possible, but I’ve seen a general trend of Chinese websites, companies, etc. that serve a domestic audience having no or very basic cybersecurity because China is a very high-trust society. Then they go global with that attitude and get pwned.

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        Yes and it’s really hard for the right people not to look favourably at it

        We’re in a pretty good space with it all tbh…the only issue we have of course is making both EVs and solar more accessible to more people.