• lumen@feddit.nl
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    6 months ago

    There are cameras everywhere anyways. Don’t act a way you want on film if you’re outside your home, otherwise there’s a chance it’s being recorded and there’s nothing you can do about it 🤷

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      6 months ago

      Consider the hammer analogy, which says that my right to swing a hammer ends where you begin.

      My right to privacy doesn’t end simply because I venture out into public. If I decide to go out, and someone little secret camera sees and records me, and creates a file to the effect of, “This is gigastasio and he was seen crossing 5th and Spruce at 11:32 am today, here’s who he was with and everything known about them available on social media, news reports, and more,” freely accessible to another private citizen with no need for that information, that’s antithetical to the value of respecting and protecting our privacy.

      You would not walk up to me, ask my name, and begin searching me while I stood there and watched. If you did I would either ignore you or lie to you, which would be the proper response. If that behavior is wrong, so is secretly collecting someone’s identity, whereabouts, associations and other info. And there are very sound counterarguments against the “nothing to hide” stance that can be better articulated by others than I can do at the moment.

      Rather than taking the attitude of “there’s already public surveillance, so more is okay,” I would instead say there’s already surveillance, so resist the temptation to add even more and work to dismantle what currently exists.

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        6 months ago

        I don’t like surveillance either, but as it currently stands, you have no expectation of privacy in public.

        So as long as there are surveillance cameras, it would be stupid to forbid any civilian filming in public.

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          6 months ago

          I think it would be necessary. And if anyone has a problem with it let them bring legal challenges. In fact, let’s run arguments for and against identity and information harvesting by private citizens against private citizens through the courts and see what shakes out. Seeing as how your position is based on what’s legal as opposed to what’s ethical, I bet you’d be in favor of that.

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            6 months ago

            It’s not strange to want a line drawn somewhere regarding public photography. But I just don’t see how that line ever can be drawn in a fair way.

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      6 months ago

      Might not be anything I can do about you recording me but I can act in a way that will make you think twice about recording the next person

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        6 months ago

        No you won’t. I’m might set up a camera on the sidewalk outside your house tomorrow, and there’s nothing you could do about it. Nothing. You’re not in charge.

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          6 months ago

          You think so? You think you have a right to install your camera on public property?

          There are usually peeping tom laws that prevent this kind of thing, and it’s certainly cause for a civil harassment case if the person you’re spying on knows about it.

          The real question is: why do you want the ability to film someone’s house like that unless you’re a creeper?

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            6 months ago

            Not install, but hold. Yes, I do have that right where I live.