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So much for the constitution
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Shit, now how will I manufacture illegal sex toys and sex toy accessories in a covert, anonymous fashion? Woe is me…
Criminals have easy access to real guns, they won’t bother with printing plastic ones. A terrorist will just go to a place where they don’t monitor to print them.
In case anyone is wondering why something so idiotic: The destruction of 3D printing: Bloomberg is behind it - YouTube
Of course this is not something a rag like the register and a fraudulent “Cybersecurity reporter” Connor Jones would tell you, but instead trying to actively hide from you. Even thought the evidence is right there. They’d rather tell you some stupid story.
This is yet another mad plutocrat meddling in democracy and neoliberalism and pundits providing some nonsense explanation to distract people.
I can’t wait for the EU to eagerly adopt this like they do for a lot of these dogshit US decisions.
So now you can be a cyberpunk black market tech peddler for real?
One of the most common uses for 3d printers is for cosplay props. I wonder if the lawmakers considered how this infringes on the rights of people trying to print prop guns from their favorite video games or anime?
They don’t even know what cosplays is lol
Yeah, sigh I know… It was facetious but an obvious argument I haven’t seen pushed where there is actually some money behind it.
They don’t care
Well it’s not like anyone in California needs lots of props.
they did not
This is so stupid. This is written by people who don’t understand 3D printing. This will catch nothing but fake guns that don’t work because they were printed in one solid piece, it won’t catch all the little pieces that you assemble afterwards.
I guess we’re returning to reprap then. That’ll actually be good for innovation, I think.
In the short term i think people will just drive out of state, like they already do for actual guns. CA gun laws are aimed at the working class, thanks Reagan.
They’re using weapon printing as the wedge, but this is really about protecting all manufacturers.
This is the thing imo. Come in under “ban ghost guns” but 10 years from now you try to print a new battery door for your remote and get blocked because the design is the property of Samsung.
Fuck Bambu and co, I’ll keep my voron around as long as humanly possible
It’s more about protecting companies like Disney, Nintendo, etc, not replacement parts. 3D printing is rife with copyright infringement, and companies like those would absolutely love a way to block their IP from being printed, or to be able to sue those who do it.
…and this is why roght to repair laws need to be enforced heavily. If your stupid joystick is broken on purpose so you can squeeze $100 out of me every 6 months, i have a right and duty to correct it for myself and anyone who asks.
(But fr tho stop buying nintendo products. They absolutely arent worth the moral weight and consumer disrespect. Pokemon is an incredibly lazy rpg design meant to sell toys)
Hate or love Nintendo, you gotta admit Mario Odyssey was a fucking good game; but I’m a sucker for 3D platformers. Personally, I hate Nintendo, but love Mario and Zelda and such, so it’s a complicated relationship for me. Like sleeping with your toxic ex every couple of years and then remembering why you left them.
Read the room buddy
Meh, half my comments end up negative anyway. I don’t give a fuck anymore
it was absolutely not, it was a mindless collectathon at best. why are there 700 moons in it but almost none are an actual challenge to get? a video delving deeper into it: https://youtu.be/1X6D39Cd34k?t=3979 (i recommend watching the whole thing (and the previous one https://youtu.be/jQIHqkudgNY) but the timestamp is for mario speciafically)
Nuh-uh, it so to was a good game
i mean if you put it like that…
Okay but is one very mid game with decent movement worth the consumer rights violations, palworld legal case, shut down of fan-run tornaments, extremely terrible very bad peer-to-peer internet connection, releasing the exact same console but worse but slightly better… I could go on?
BotW/ToTK was a fun game too, but youll never catch me buying it or a nintendo switch ever.
No, it doesn’t justify any of those things; that’s why I used the toxic ex analogy. A really terrible company can also make really good games, those are two separate variables. My actual ex took the Switch, and I haven’t bought another, but I am sorely tempted by Donkey Kong Bananza. It’s pretty low on my priorities though, there’s plenty of Steam games to keep me entertained
The way I see it, a person can print a company’s IP as long as they’re not trying to sell it.
What are they going to do, sue me for drawing a picture of mario or making kirby out of clay? Printing for personal use is the same concept.
I could see them going after 3D model designers who post stls of their IP. Personally I think if they’re not selling it then it shouldn’t be an issue, but I don’t think the companies would see it that way, and I don’t know exactly where the law stands on it.
This is why they can’t simply pass IP laws, but they’re sneaking it in with the pretense of “protecting the children” (when most school shootings happen with guns that were legally obtained by the shooter or their parents…)
Yeah, I don’t see how this is a problem. I mean people make all kinds of things without 3D printing. Think of a Star Wars stormtrooper set of armor. People have been making those for decades, and selling them, before 3D printers took over some of the work. I’m sure IP is part of the reason companies want to regulate 3D printing, but I’d also be willing to bet that they want to do the same shit they always do - insert themselves in the middle and force you to pay for designs. Whether it’s a Mario bros. minifig or a replacement knob for your clothes dryer.
I already have a modest library of stls on the nvme ssd in my linux laptop, and they can pry those out of my cold dead fingers, along with my 3D printer that works without an internet connection and I will never connect it to the internet or upgrade its firmware.
I’m like racing to purchase all the tech I might need in the next decade or so before they make it impossible to find non-userlocked hardware without a bunch of obligatory backdoors. It sucks because everything is just so unnecessarily expensive now. I wish I had started sooner but I thought I was being financially responsible at the time by not splurging…
Like I have a DMR and an SDR, a raspberry pi, a few different MCUs, some FPGAs and CPLDs, a collection of various electronic components, rechargeable batteries of various kinds, a couple powerbanks and a portable 30W solar panel. A logic probe, multimeter, gauss meter. A kit for an oscilloscope that I haven’t built yet.
Next I want to build a homelab, I’m already working on collecting the things I need for that. I also want to get a higher capacity power bank and a 100W portable solar panel. I want to get a weather station, air quality sensor, geiger counter, etc. I just can’t purchase it all at once.
Meanwhile I also need to install all the software packages I would need, or at least download their package builds so I can install them when I need to. I want to make an archive of several different linux ISOs, a library of game assets from itch.io, etc., as many kiwix libraries as possible, etc. etc. etc.
I have this nagging feeling that the downfall of modern society, supply chains, the classic internet infrastructure, etc., is right around the corner, and it feels like a race against time to prepare everything I would need to establish my own little intranet “island” that I could later mesh with others when the time comes. Which also means learning cybersecurity. Sigh…
One person making a Star Wars set of Armor for themself isn’t a worry for Disney.
That person posting the STLs on the internet, allowing millions of other people to make them too, many of who will try and sell the designs and/or finished product, is a worry for Disney.
That’s the beauty of 3d printing, but it’s the thing that IP holders hate - and the IP holders with deep pockets can and do influence legislators.
They do try and sell it though, that’s the problem.
Then they should go after the commercial use of unlicensed intellectual property, not the ownership of a 3D printer…
Don’t for one second think I’m defending these laws and the dolts making them. To them, being able to control what you can print in the first place is 10000000x more powerful than trying to sue everyone that sells them.
There is a single light of science and to brighten it anywhere is to brighten it everywhere.
How long was building your voron? And how much did it cost you?
I would like to do it in the future, but right now time is a big constraint for me
mine the older 2.1 design and scratch built. Hard to say because a lot of parts were grabbed from other projects
If I were starting today I’d just get a kit. The LDO kit is the standard and high quality but pricier.~1500 for 350mm. There’s the formbot kit as well, much cheaper (~800 for 350mm) but not as nice quality wise. Never used one of these kits but that’s the general sentiment on the forums now. West3d also has a kit builder, this is def the most expensive option but if you plan to install a bunch of mods this can save you some money buy bundling them at the beginning (but honestly if you’ve never built one before I’d start with the vanilla build)
Time wise it’s not too bad, sort of. I would say if you’re a tinkerer type person you could build it in a weekend, especially with a kit. However, you may spend quite a bit more time calibrating everything. Like the time from a box of shit to actually printing isn’t terrible, but the time to getting a beautiful dimensionally accurate print is potentially a bit more involved, especially before you get it printing fast (if you pursue such a thing)
That’s honestly the primary reason Bambu is destroying in terms of sales right now (plus aggressive marketing). They are shit bc they are consumer hostile, but they do make good equipment. You can get a solid print right from the first startup. You can with voron too tbf but it’s like comparing an iphone to desktop Linux: the former is easier to setup and has a lot of slick features for use, the latter can replicate almost all of them but takes a bit more time to get going (and because it’s open design can be taken much further once you get the hang of it, vorons can get amazing quality at incredibly fast speeds though tbf some of those mods to get truly fast can be pricy)
Alternatively look on their discord or somewhere like Craigslist/facebook marketplace. I see people sell LDO builds for like 6-900 a lot. Resale is tough because once built it’s a nightmare to ship so they drop value like crazy and then you can (hopefully) get one that’s at least printing decently
I got gifted a Bambu P1S a few years ago, but customization is pretty limited.
I like the idea of the Voron and it’s upgradability but the initial time investment was really high for me.
Thanks for sharing your information. I am a tinkering person, so I don’t feel lost when doing projects like that, but since I am in Canada, sourcing parts was terrible when I looked a few years ago. The LDO kits seem pricy, but I will look for alternatives. But at least, the option’s there.
FWIW from what I’ve read the formbot kit seems to be pretty serviceable, almost 50% less and is still pretty good, though by most accounts I’ve seen the LDO kit is objectively better (for a significant premium)
The nice thing is that I can upgrade along the way, so even taking the formlab kit, I can slowly upgrade the parts if I want to.
WOULD SOMEBODY THINK OF THE IP HOLDERS!!!
OP why are you posting a 3 month old article with no updated information or that needed context that this was in the past? There was a discussion then.
It’s almost like you are trying to upset people again for sport, because reddit broke your brain and you think internet points are important. Almost like that.
I think about this a lot.
Sometimes I learn about news that greatly affects my hobby but then notice it’s like a month old.
And I wonder - so I share it? Do I sit with it? Do others know about it?
Assuming positive intent, OP thought the former.
First time I’ve seen this.
3 months isn’t 3 years. First I heard of this
There’s pedophiles roaming the streets and no one can afford healthcare or housing but yeah, lets make useless laws to try and regulate 3d printers…
Roaming the streets? They are sitting in the fucking white house.
Trump fucks kids. Never forget
I mean, it’s a little bit of a funny example when “but child porn” is often the argument for removing all digital freedom.
There’s pedophiles roaming the streets
That was oddly specific.
Two crimes can happen at once in different places
This isn’t going to do anything about crime.
Well, no. It’ll create a whole new class of crimes.
Then why did you bring other crimes up? Sorry. But you have no idea how you sound. You directly said “there are these crimes, why are we wasting laws on these other crimes” and wonder why I responded as I did.
You currently can not fully 3D print a gun
Even if you could, distinguishing a gun from everything else is impossible. This is more about people using 3D printing for right to repair
You don’t know it’s impossible. That’s just insane to think that recognition software can tell that a person’s seatbelt is on if that there is someone at their front door with a package or a bicycle means it’s likely possible.
It literally is impossible. The only thing going to a 3d printer is a series of commands to the the various stepper motors and heating elements what to do. It would have to be capable of reversing this code to reconstruct the object being printed. A printer is not going to have enough processing power to do this if it’s even possible at all.
The computer it’s connected to does
My point was their priorities are completely out of wack, and also that this law is useless and shows that they have no idea how 3d printers work so they are wasting time on this to do literally zero good. If the concern is around preventing crime, this is not the way to do it.
Once again. Two crimes can happen at the same time. Prioritizing it is the authorities job. Not yours.
That’s why I’m here commenting about it for free on the internet instead of being paid to prioritize things that actually matter over ineffective bullshit.
Except nobody is being prosecuted for this, in fact the only person that sits in prison, got moved to minimum security one and a pardon is being considered for her.
Senate just appointed the very person directly responsible for it to head the Department of Justice.
We are literally being run by pedophiles, or pedophile protectors at best and it couldn’t be any clearer that there are two justice systems.
When the UH CEO was killed with 3D printed gun I remember being puzzled why trump, trump jr, musk and other members of the Epstein class became vocal about this, to me it seemed like a random murder. Now I understand that to them it was significant because member of their class was killed, this is also why musk was wearing his son as armor, because they were genuinely scared that their class war was firing back.
Whataboutism at it’s finest. Two crimes can happen at the same time. Just because one crime “matters” and the others don’t according to you, doesn’t mean that they both shouldn’t be enforced or examined.
The standards will not mandate perfect efficacy – they will allow for “an acceptably low level of evasion” against a bank of identified design files.
So they except this is basically an impossible task. Essentially they’re just going to check that the algorithm can detect the test examples, and then anything beyond that is an acceptably low level of evasion apparently.
They just want to destroy open source firmware. They hate freedom from corporate control, not guns.
In the same way you can buy all the stuff to make a bomb without ending up on a list, but if you do it the stupid way you’re going to get the SWAT team at your door.
The 3d printer firmware is bullshit outright IMO, but this seems like the most sober-minded attempt. NY’s law on the other hand is a fat lol
Anyone who was a serious threat is by definition not going to do it the stupid way anybody who gets swatted is an idiot and probably wasn’t a threat to begin with, except to themselves.
It’s already illegal to shoot people so why is it more illegal to shoot people with a plastic gun?
I agree, yet people get caught. This makes simply authorizes that, which I’m not inherently against. All I’m saying is, of all the things in the world, this isn’t the absolute worst thing that could happen and at least it isn’t (currently) being used by that state as a pretext for even more surveillance.
It isn’t more illegal to shoot people with a plastic gun; if anything it’s less illegal because you don’t need to lie on a form about your status to obtain a gun.
I think your arguing with what you think I’m saying instead if what I actually said. I believe we’re in agreement with different nuanced takes that affect that agreement. I agree this is dumb and a bad precedent that will likely be ineffective (just like virtually all other punitive preventative measures). I still think it could be worse.
TL; DR: this law to me feels more along the lines of “let’s stop giving away guns at candy shops” than “let’s completely fix everything all at once” It’s sober minded and an attempt at appeasing their constituency. I disagree with it, but it could be worse and probably won’t hurt.
Can I have 12 bottles of bleach please?
And some … as well as a map to …'s house, please?
This what happens when a state is controlled by idiots. I wish we had opposition party that were not a bunch of boot licking freaks.
not just idiots. selfish fucks and idiots.
Idiots who don’t understand any industry other than public service, being useful idiots for the oligarchs that run the mega corps of the 5th largest economy in the world.
You’d think with a title that says “California just passed a law”, that it would actually be about California passing a law. It still has to go through the senate and then get signed by the governor.
Edit: The bill was passed in the Assembly back in May. This is a nearly 3 month old article.
California needs to start pushing laws to shut down hardware stores, department stores, shopping malls, and office supply stores since you can buy things in those places to also create makeshift weapons.
I have a mini mill in my garage. I makeb ghost firearms as a hobby.
I have a bit of experience with a mill, but even if I *didn’t * these are not hard skills to learn yourself. A couple hundred bucks for a mini mill on marketplace and a few hunted bucks for a blank and some tooling and anybody could be making ghost guns in their living room.
I had never heard of mini CNC mills.
Now I want one.
Isn’t California the state where you need to be 18 just to by spray paint?
I think we are already headed in that direction
Many states have similar laws for things you can inhale to get high.