• Smoogs@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    Veganism.

    Their entire basis of preaching guilt over the consiousness angle was egotistic, overzealous and unproven.(either all plant matter and all animal matter are consious or they are all not. Therefore everyone, no matter what matter they consume to survive, remains guilty of ending a consiousness or not and therefore neither diet maintains the higher ethical ground to guilt from. I will not be convinced otherwise. And especially not while every white paper starts with defining consiousness is always in their own pure hubris)

    It was not until it was called ‘Plant based’ that i got on board as that research is proven. yes: it is healthier, yes: less emmissions. yes: uses less matter to consume. yes: more sustainable. (Although not sustainable for those who remain unable to digest beans as a form of protien. but that is another story)

    Ethical? in the form of ‘less matter’ one might try to argue but i would not use any guilt angle on ethical stance so long as any matter that may be argued to contain consiousness is consumed. No ethical stance starts with measuring anything in value as ‘less than’ another so long as it is used just to justify to find their own comfort to judge others from.

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      either all plant matter and all animal matter are consious or they are all not.

      Plants do not have brains or nervous systems, they are not conscious.

      https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8052213/

      I am aiming for a vegan lifestyle, but it is difficult to escape hidden milk and eggs in unexpected places. I hope everyone can agree that factory farming is needlessly cruel and should not be supported. I am happy with any steps taken to reduce suffering in the world. I think too many people view it as all-or-nothing, and they can’t do all so they do nothing. But every choice we make affects the world we share; any individual can make a difference, even a small one, and they add up.

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          2 hours ago

          Check the study I linked. It defines consciousness and explains their experiments in detail. Get more specific if you can refute those findings.

          Again: plants don’t have brains.

          Maybe you are also a plant?

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            1 hour ago

            read that study. it does not prove plants aren’t conscious. it casts doubt on the existing claims that they are.

            in the conclusion, they explicitly allow for the possibility that it may be proven that plants are conscious.

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              it does not prove plants aren’t conscious

              Because a negative can’t be proven.

              it casts doubt on the existing claims that they are.

              Because evidence does not support those claims.

              Theists use this same fallacious logic to pretend it’s acceptable to worship bronze age death gods.

              Let’s all use our brains, please.

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              60 minutes ago

              in the conclusion, they explicitly allow for the possibility that it may be proven that plants are conscious.

              Do they? Please provide a quote, I’m not seeing anything like that in the conclusion.

              Here’s the other thing: even if you are correct (which is not likely based on evidence), consuming plants instead of meat still reduces suffering. Eating plants directly is more efficient than eating animals that eat plants.