More than a decade after launching in Europe, the Netherlands company is now selling its repairable phones in the US, starting with the Fairphone (Gen 6+).
        • AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.socialEnglish
          291·
          4 hours ago

          It wasn’t just the update cycle either, it’s that they don’t have the physical hardware chips to support Graphene’s minimum requirements for security, which would severely weaken any benefits you actually get from GrapheneOS.

            • AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.socialEnglish
              30·
              4 hours ago

              Entirely lacking disk encryption for typical users due to not having a secure element is a pretty major flaw.

              It’s also missing hardware accelerated virtualization which is necessary for much of GrapheneOS’s sandboxing, has weak security for other keys in the OS keystore, is missing hardware memory tagging which makes it much easier for apps to use overflow attacks, doesn’t have proper verified boot support once a custom alternative OS is flashed, and leaves exposed debugging APIs even when the phone is locked.

              This breaks:

              • Secure app spawning
              • Memory corruption protection
              • Integer overflow protection
              • Most of Graphene’s kernel hardening
              • Much of Graphene’s attack surface reduction abilities
              • Hardware-based attestation and security monitoring
              • Quick tile protection pre-unlock
              • Debugging access prevention
              • Verified Boot
              • The security of your PIN against any automated attack

              At that point, GrapheneOS can’t physically provide you essentially any security anymore.

              • devfuuu@lemmy.worldEnglish
                61·
                3 hours ago

                It really depends on what security level you want out of a phone. Most people are concerned with a pickpocket stealing and being able to access everything. Most of the world doesn’t need the security level required to pass through the united states border control. Which they will just force to put the pin anyways or put you in jail for even having a secure device.

                • AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.socialEnglish
                  1·
                  52 minutes ago

                  It really depends on what security level you want out of a phone

                  It does, but that’s exactly my point. GrapheneOS will provide you essentially no more security than any other alternative Android operating system, should it have to operate on a Fairphone with all those features not supported by a Fairphone stripped away.

                  Unless Fairphone adds more hardware security features that are standard on most other phones, and highly supported on Pixels, installing a heavily crippled GrapheneOS on a Fairphone would get you essentially none of the benefits of GrapheneOS in the first place.

                • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
                  2·
                  3 hours ago

                  Well sans duress password being a good idea now, when you get to the border, you can either unlock it or they’ll just confiscate it. You don’t get to be on their list and go through with a phone because they can’t manage to decrypt it.

      • Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        5 hours ago

        I haven’t heard of this. Looking into it there’s at least a year wait. I’d consider it - though my Edge 2022 battery may not make it until then. Damn thing was crap from day 1.

        • lokalhorst@feddit.orgEnglish
          5·
          4 hours ago

          I am pretty sure Motorola plans to sell flag ship devices with GrapheneOS preinstalled. They won’t support old devices. Also the manufacturer needs to still ship firmware updates for a specific duration for GrapheneOS to support it.

          • halcyoncmdr@piefed.socialEnglish
            2·
            2 hours ago

            GrapheneOS already announced a direct partnership with Motorola, so they clearly already figured that out officially.

            Motorola also promises 5 main Android version updates for their phones now.

          • anon_8675309@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            2 hours ago

            I thought the deal was they shipped with normal OS because of existing deals with Google over Android but that they would have unlocked bootloaders so that the end user can install it.

            Also it’s limited to their very high end so expect $1000+ USD.

          • Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            2 hours ago

            I meant more like if I am forced to get another phone before it comes out. I should at least try to put a new battery into my edge and I’ve done it for several phones but there’s always that 10 percent chance you might bork your phone.